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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are questions I wrestle with regularly.

I am familiar with Alfie Kohn - &quot;Unconditional Parenting&quot;, anyway - and I try to avoid using rewards and punishments. This would actually include bribery and incentives, I think. However, I sometimes cross the line, and sometimes flirt with it.

For instance, I have been known to say, &quot;Yes, you can watch that video, right after you clean up the mess you made.&quot; On the one hand, I&#039;m really only setting some expectations and a timeline. On the other hand, I know that if I were to ask the kid to clean AFTER the video it&#039;s not happening. So there is some coercion there, and something of a carrot being dangled.

I am OK with this type of thing in very certain circumstances. Like, say, when my kid is getting a shot, which happens less than once a year. Getting shots are no fun, and so if I offer something fun after, it smooths the situation and it doesn&#039;t set me up for a major downfall. I&#039;m also OK with wiggling timelines to my favour, when the outcome is never in question. So I&#039;m not threatening or that sort of thing. And I&#039;m also OK with laying out expectations in advance - IF you paint, then I expect you to clean up. Beyond that, I try to avoid it, but nobody&#039;s perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are questions I wrestle with regularly.</p>
<p>I am familiar with Alfie Kohn &#8211; &#8220;Unconditional Parenting&#8221;, anyway &#8211; and I try to avoid using rewards and punishments. This would actually include bribery and incentives, I think. However, I sometimes cross the line, and sometimes flirt with it.</p>
<p>For instance, I have been known to say, &#8220;Yes, you can watch that video, right after you clean up the mess you made.&#8221; On the one hand, I&#8217;m really only setting some expectations and a timeline. On the other hand, I know that if I were to ask the kid to clean AFTER the video it&#8217;s not happening. So there is some coercion there, and something of a carrot being dangled.</p>
<p>I am OK with this type of thing in very certain circumstances. Like, say, when my kid is getting a shot, which happens less than once a year. Getting shots are no fun, and so if I offer something fun after, it smooths the situation and it doesn&#8217;t set me up for a major downfall. I&#8217;m also OK with wiggling timelines to my favour, when the outcome is never in question. So I&#8217;m not threatening or that sort of thing. And I&#8217;m also OK with laying out expectations in advance &#8211; IF you paint, then I expect you to clean up. Beyond that, I try to avoid it, but nobody&#8217;s perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rachel-  So great to see you here!  I love a juicy philosophical conversation!
Thanks for sharing your experience.  I totally agree that some of our biggest successes come as a result of fortunate accidents!  The distinction you make between the all-or-nothing reward and the gradual accumulation resonates for me.  I&#039;ll have to give this one some thought!  We have started to use a &#039;chore chart.&#039;  So far there are no rewards attached, but he checks off the box when he unpacks his backpack, practices violin, does his reading, takes care of feeding/watering the rat, etc.  For now, the satisfaction of checking the boxes seems to be enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rachel-  So great to see you here!  I love a juicy philosophical conversation!<br />
Thanks for sharing your experience.  I totally agree that some of our biggest successes come as a result of fortunate accidents!  The distinction you make between the all-or-nothing reward and the gradual accumulation resonates for me.  I&#8217;ll have to give this one some thought!  We have started to use a &#8216;chore chart.&#8217;  So far there are no rewards attached, but he checks off the box when he unpacks his backpack, practices violin, does his reading, takes care of feeding/watering the rat, etc.  For now, the satisfaction of checking the boxes seems to be enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Liz!  Greetings from Dallas!  John got your blog info from Steve this evening, so I thought I&#039;d check it out, and I got really caught up in the articles.  I decided to comment here, as I have the same concerns as you do about the reward thing, and I have heard Alfie Kohn in interviews, though I have not read the book.  I used a sticker chart for Zachary last year to encourage him to do his homework in pre-K 4.  Just little worksheets, but still.  Our system though did not involve an immediate reward.  He earned a sticker each day he did his homework with no fuss, and we had a quota for how many he had to get for a certain prize/toy from the store.  I even broke it down so he could work toward a $5 toy (8 stickers), a $8 one (10 stickers), $10 (12 stickers), and $12 (14 stickers).  So, on a bad day, he did not lose the whole reward, just one sticker, and he knew he could try again the next day.  Interestingly, he rarely went for the higher dollar things, and often a hot wheels car at the grocery store check out would suffice.  Toward the end of the year, I discovered that if I just put out his homework on his little table, he would do it without prompting, and then put his sticker on the chart.  So, it seemed to me that we got a good thing going where he was working toward something as opposed to an immediate gratification deal, which motivated him to take it upon himself to do the homework.  Of course, he also got lots of praise from us for being so responsible and working so hard, which was his immediate reward.  And, I got to be let off the hook nagging him most of the time!  

I suspect a few more rules about when homework has to be done will have to be instituted as he gets older, but helping him develop the habit of doing it without being told at an early age was a bonus I stumbled on accidentally, as I certainly did not intend that when I first started putting it out.  (Did you ever notice some of the coolest parenting successes seem to be accidental?) It was so neat to see him motivated to do it himself, and I can&#039;t see any harm in him learning to be willing to work for something he wants, whether it is a toy now, a CD player later, or a career choice, especially where he has to work within someone else&#039;s expectations (a teacher&#039;s for homework, a store&#039;s for payment for that CD player, a college admission board, or whatever). In the meantime, he can still have pride in the accomplishment of each day&#039;s work, and in fact, I doubt the sticker chart would be successful if the ONLY reward was the prize, without the daily affirmation of his efforts from us and his teacher.  

I think the bigger danger is in the immediate reward that only teaches immediate gratification (truly a bribe), or perhaps immediate disappointment in losing it if you mess up.  The all-or-nothing game can be very stressful, especially if the reward is a rarely allowed thing!  Perhaps that was the reason the jolly ranchers/cookie worked only briefly for Adrian.

So, that was a longer 2 cents than I intended, but there it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Liz!  Greetings from Dallas!  John got your blog info from Steve this evening, so I thought I&#8217;d check it out, and I got really caught up in the articles.  I decided to comment here, as I have the same concerns as you do about the reward thing, and I have heard Alfie Kohn in interviews, though I have not read the book.  I used a sticker chart for Zachary last year to encourage him to do his homework in pre-K 4.  Just little worksheets, but still.  Our system though did not involve an immediate reward.  He earned a sticker each day he did his homework with no fuss, and we had a quota for how many he had to get for a certain prize/toy from the store.  I even broke it down so he could work toward a $5 toy (8 stickers), a $8 one (10 stickers), $10 (12 stickers), and $12 (14 stickers).  So, on a bad day, he did not lose the whole reward, just one sticker, and he knew he could try again the next day.  Interestingly, he rarely went for the higher dollar things, and often a hot wheels car at the grocery store check out would suffice.  Toward the end of the year, I discovered that if I just put out his homework on his little table, he would do it without prompting, and then put his sticker on the chart.  So, it seemed to me that we got a good thing going where he was working toward something as opposed to an immediate gratification deal, which motivated him to take it upon himself to do the homework.  Of course, he also got lots of praise from us for being so responsible and working so hard, which was his immediate reward.  And, I got to be let off the hook nagging him most of the time!  </p>
<p>I suspect a few more rules about when homework has to be done will have to be instituted as he gets older, but helping him develop the habit of doing it without being told at an early age was a bonus I stumbled on accidentally, as I certainly did not intend that when I first started putting it out.  (Did you ever notice some of the coolest parenting successes seem to be accidental?) It was so neat to see him motivated to do it himself, and I can&#8217;t see any harm in him learning to be willing to work for something he wants, whether it is a toy now, a CD player later, or a career choice, especially where he has to work within someone else&#8217;s expectations (a teacher&#8217;s for homework, a store&#8217;s for payment for that CD player, a college admission board, or whatever). In the meantime, he can still have pride in the accomplishment of each day&#8217;s work, and in fact, I doubt the sticker chart would be successful if the ONLY reward was the prize, without the daily affirmation of his efforts from us and his teacher.  </p>
<p>I think the bigger danger is in the immediate reward that only teaches immediate gratification (truly a bribe), or perhaps immediate disappointment in losing it if you mess up.  The all-or-nothing game can be very stressful, especially if the reward is a rarely allowed thing!  Perhaps that was the reason the jolly ranchers/cookie worked only briefly for Adrian.</p>
<p>So, that was a longer 2 cents than I intended, but there it is!</p>
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		<title>By: JDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been said by many that people are generally either motivated by moving towards goals, or away from problems, with a few being equally motivated by both. I agree with this and have started modifying my behavior accordingly. What&#039;s not clear to me is when this becomes true. Does this come from DNA or our very own parenting? Is this a case of Shrodingers cat? Inquiring minds would like to know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been said by many that people are generally either motivated by moving towards goals, or away from problems, with a few being equally motivated by both. I agree with this and have started modifying my behavior accordingly. What&#8217;s not clear to me is when this becomes true. Does this come from DNA or our very own parenting? Is this a case of Shrodingers cat? Inquiring minds would like to know!</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Suzanne-  I think you&#039;ve nailed it:  &quot;Figuring out what motivates your kid and how s/he likes to be rewarded&quot; is really the key.  And how this changes over time, and with different kids is what keeps us on our toes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Suzanne-  I think you&#8217;ve nailed it:  &#8220;Figuring out what motivates your kid and how s/he likes to be rewarded&#8221; is really the key.  And how this changes over time, and with different kids is what keeps us on our toes!</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Bird-Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Bird-Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 3 kids 6 years apart in age, two boys and then a girl. None of what &quot;works&quot; with one works with any of the others, it seems.  (Good thing they&#039;re so far apart, I guess.) 

Personally, I like Kerrie&#039;s approach. Reward the effort, let the results take care of themselves. I like that, and I like to be treated that way.

But deciding the reward is yet another trick, in and of itself.  What I finally figured out (about the time the oldest was leaving home) is that the rewards must be considered rewards by the recipient.  I have one child who loves praise, public recognition, and making a big deal out of accomplishments, and anything else that is given instead - even money - is not a &quot;real&quot; reward. Then I have another one who would just puke if I made a public (even if public only means &#039;out loud&#039;) spectacle out of anything and would prefer cash payments made on the sly, but appreciates anything given in a quiet, sedate manner, including a hug or a high-five, as long as no one is looking. The other one is in the middle somewhere. So when it comes time to reward them, I have to adjust according to whom I&#039;m rewarding if I want it to be effective.

Figuring out what really motivates your kid and how s/he prefers to be rewarded can go a long way toward making sense of it all. At least if you know what they prefer, you can do your best to choose something that is (or is as close to as possible) what they prefer yet that doesn&#039;t make you feel like you&#039;ve just compromised your ethics in the process.

Of course, when you&#039;ve got one that also requires things to be &quot;even&quot; and &quot;fair&quot;....well...yeah...it gets interesting, for sure.
.-= Suzanne Bird-Harris´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/vAssistantServices/~3/C4wOJXSBwiI/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great Marketing Makes You Lose Your Natural Mind&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 3 kids 6 years apart in age, two boys and then a girl. None of what &#8220;works&#8221; with one works with any of the others, it seems.  (Good thing they&#8217;re so far apart, I guess.) </p>
<p>Personally, I like Kerrie&#8217;s approach. Reward the effort, let the results take care of themselves. I like that, and I like to be treated that way.</p>
<p>But deciding the reward is yet another trick, in and of itself.  What I finally figured out (about the time the oldest was leaving home) is that the rewards must be considered rewards by the recipient.  I have one child who loves praise, public recognition, and making a big deal out of accomplishments, and anything else that is given instead &#8211; even money &#8211; is not a &#8220;real&#8221; reward. Then I have another one who would just puke if I made a public (even if public only means &#8216;out loud&#8217;) spectacle out of anything and would prefer cash payments made on the sly, but appreciates anything given in a quiet, sedate manner, including a hug or a high-five, as long as no one is looking. The other one is in the middle somewhere. So when it comes time to reward them, I have to adjust according to whom I&#8217;m rewarding if I want it to be effective.</p>
<p>Figuring out what really motivates your kid and how s/he prefers to be rewarded can go a long way toward making sense of it all. At least if you know what they prefer, you can do your best to choose something that is (or is as close to as possible) what they prefer yet that doesn&#8217;t make you feel like you&#8217;ve just compromised your ethics in the process.</p>
<p>Of course, when you&#8217;ve got one that also requires things to be &#8220;even&#8221; and &#8220;fair&#8221;&#8230;.well&#8230;yeah&#8230;it gets interesting, for sure.<br />
.-= Suzanne Bird-Harris´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/vAssistantServices/~3/C4wOJXSBwiI/" rel="nofollow">Great Marketing Makes You Lose Your Natural Mind</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences!  It&#039;s clear to me that there&#039;s no one right answer, and one of the challenges of parenting is to be able to evolve our strategies for &#039;encouragement&#039; as we and our kids grow and change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences!  It&#8217;s clear to me that there&#8217;s no one right answer, and one of the challenges of parenting is to be able to evolve our strategies for &#8216;encouragement&#8217; as we and our kids grow and change.</p>
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		<title>By: Coral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praise and encouragement are the primary rewards for appropriate behavior....but bribes have been known to happen from time to time :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise and encouragement are the primary rewards for appropriate behavior&#8230;.but bribes have been known to happen from time to time <img src='http://www.dreamgardencoaching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Coral</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and even better question!  
Mixed bag of results with the incentives program with both of our children (ages 21 and 6). 
 
Our parenting style worked beautifully with our daughter, so many years ago.  Those same approaches often are not nearly as effective with our son for whatever reason. 
 
We have had to work really hard to find effective techniques to achieve cooperation with him and many of those approaches work well in the beginning and then falters after a period of time.  

I am still grappling with the struggle of not understanding the world according to boys....I was a tomboy for sure but I don&#039;t GET that particular combination of chromosomes and all that goes with them premise of &quot;it&#039;s a boy thing&quot;.

I like what the previous poster had to say.....
&quot;Now I offer rewards for attitude and effort rather than results. Try hard, be positive, get the reward. That’s how I want to be rewarded too&quot;.  
I will keep that in mind the next time I am ready to pull out my hair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and even better question!<br />
Mixed bag of results with the incentives program with both of our children (ages 21 and 6). </p>
<p>Our parenting style worked beautifully with our daughter, so many years ago.  Those same approaches often are not nearly as effective with our son for whatever reason. </p>
<p>We have had to work really hard to find effective techniques to achieve cooperation with him and many of those approaches work well in the beginning and then falters after a period of time.  </p>
<p>I am still grappling with the struggle of not understanding the world according to boys&#8230;.I was a tomboy for sure but I don&#8217;t GET that particular combination of chromosomes and all that goes with them premise of &#8220;it&#8217;s a boy thing&#8221;.</p>
<p>I like what the previous poster had to say&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;Now I offer rewards for attitude and effort rather than results. Try hard, be positive, get the reward. That’s how I want to be rewarded too&#8221;.<br />
I will keep that in mind the next time I am ready to pull out my hair!</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Bauerle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline Bauerle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to your blog from Joelle Porters fb page -Really interesting. I try not to bribe or incentivise my kids too much, they have to learn to do things correctly/well/timely because that is what is expected, not because there is a reward. That does not mean I have never bribed them, in fact I probably will tonight on our car trip to Ocean City (behave and we&#039;ll get ice cream) My daughter has friends that get $ for grades and this practice drives me crazy!! I have no problem celebrating a good report card, but having a system whereby an A is $20, a B is $15 etc... is just wrong in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to your blog from Joelle Porters fb page -Really interesting. I try not to bribe or incentivise my kids too much, they have to learn to do things correctly/well/timely because that is what is expected, not because there is a reward. That does not mean I have never bribed them, in fact I probably will tonight on our car trip to Ocean City (behave and we&#8217;ll get ice cream) My daughter has friends that get $ for grades and this practice drives me crazy!! I have no problem celebrating a good report card, but having a system whereby an A is $20, a B is $15 etc&#8230; is just wrong in my opinion.</p>
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